can spirituality causes disease
We are happy to know from the discussion among our members that they have rightly understood the real nature of themselves to be pure, ever blissful and unattached Self. As Sankaracharya has put Brahma Satya Jagar Mitthya Jivo Brahmaiva Na Parah. The individual Soul is non other than the Supreme Brahman and the phenomenal world though appearing to be real is actually just like a mirage. Some of our members have even gone further and claimed that the individual soul and the body posessed by him are both made of the same substance that is Brahman. Sri Ramakrishna has explained this state through an analogy that when a person claibes to a roof step by step he does so by negating every step not to be a roof but when he reaches the top and understands that the material by which the roof is made the steps and the groundfloor are also constructed by the same material. That is Vijnana. Swami Turiananda during his last moments revealed his realisation, the out come of his life long austerities, as Brahma Satya Jagat Satya.
Though we do posess body we must consider ourselves as Satchidananda Swarupa. Bhagavad Gita gives us the method by which we can establish in the state of equanimity:
When the mind, absolutely restrained by the practice of concentration, attains quietude, and when seeing the Self by the self one is satisfied in his own Self; when he feels that infinite bliss which is perceived by the (purified) intellect and which transends the senses, and established wherein he never departs from his real state; and having obtained which, regards no other acquisition superior to that, and where established he is not moved even by heavy sorrow; let that be known as the state, called by the name of Yoga a state of severance from the contact of pain. This Yoga should be practised with perseverance, undisturbed by depression of heart. (Gita, 6:20-22)
I bow down to all the Yogis of this group
Below are the responses sent by our members which are compiled for your easy reading. With this nice discussion on th subject of disease and spirituality we end this thread here.
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From: gautam dogra >>
HI
I'M GAUTAM DOGRA. I 'D LIKE TO REMIND UR FRIEND THAT BEFORE THE BIRTH OF SWAMIJI, HER MOTHER BHUVNESHWARI DEVI,IT IS SAID THAT,DREAMT OF LORD SHIVA WHO PROMISED TO TAKE BIRTH IN HER HOUSE AS HER SON. NOW FROM THIS WE CAN SAY THAT SWAMIJI WAS AN AVTAR OF SHIVA. AND SWAMIJI HAS SUFFERED A LOT IN HIS LIFE FROM ILLNESS. SRI RAMAKRISHNA {THAKURJI} TOO DIED DUE TO THROAT CANCER. NOW THEY BOTH ARE AVTAR OF GOD. THEY LIVE IN THIS WORLD WITH HUMAN BEINGS AND THEY LIVE LIKE HUMAN BEINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A SIMPLE HUMAN BEING HAS TO FACE A LOT OF WORRIES IN HIS/HER LIFE. THEY FELT ILL TO TELL PEOPLE THAT THE HUMAN BODY ON WHICH U PEOPLE ARE BECOMING HAPPY WILL TURN INTO ASHES ONE DAY. NOTHING WILL LEFT BEHIND. AND BY CROSSING ALL THESE HURDLES ONE HAS TO ATTAIN THE SUPREME SELF {PARAMATMAN} THEY BECOME ILL DUE TO THEIR WILL. SWAMIJI, NAY, LORD RAMA ALSO FELL ILL. THEY TOO HAD SUFFERED FROM LOTS OF TENSIONS WHEN SITAJI WAS NOT WITH HIM. WHY? TO TELL PEOPLE THAT U ALL WILL BE ABLE TO GET SUPREME SELF. THESE ARE WORDS OF SWAMIJI WHICH I'M GOING TO REMIND YOU------"THE GOD WHICH IS WITHIN ME IS IN ALL. THIS IS THE FIRST STEP OF SPRITUALITY." IF U KNOW THIS U CAN CONSIDER THAT SPRITUALITY IS IN YOU. OTHERWISE DO ANY PRACTICE BUT NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. SPRITUALITY NEVER CAUSES CANCER. SPRITUALITY IS AN AWAKENING CALL FROM INNER SELF TO HUMAN BEING. THAT ARWAKE, HERE IS THE TIME TO KNOW URSELF. WHEN GOD TOOK BITH IN HUMAN BEINGS THEY LIVE LIKE HUMAN BEINGS AND THEIR BODY IS MADE UP OF ALSO THE SAME 5 NATURAL SUPER POWERS. SO, MY FRIEND SPRITUALITY NEVER CAUSES CANCER BUT IT OPENS UR EYES. AWAKES YOU.
MAY LORD SHIVA BLESS YOU WITH HAPPINESS
URS TRULY
GAUTAM DOGRA
HOUSE NO.-4,,NEW REHARI,,JAMMU
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From: Devinder Kumar >>
what a wonderful thing is this creation! Meaning of same thing changes with position, context, capacity and response of sensing being. The wave particle duality of every object has long been understood by human being. You can understand almost everything as wave or as particle - at atomic and universal level. However, none of the two is able to explain every phenomenon and so it really is futile to try to prove supremacy of one over the other. I accept both - matter and energy - soul and body, cause that which exists is one but manifestations due to enormous variety of contexts are many. Soul is different from body as clay is different from house. House is clay too. Body itself is soul in different form.
cancer can be caused by hundred thousand different things. In our body thousands of cancer causing cells are formed every day but body's defense mechanism checks newly manufactured cells and destroys them. So most of us don't develop cancer until our body keeps doing its work. Mind and body definitely work very intimately together. So mind may affect body - in both good and bad ways.
Tension can kill. I believe proper practice of spirituality can make your mind healthy and build up good team work of mind and body. Swami Vivekananda always put high emphasis on healthy body.
I think chance of having negative impact by spirituality is similar to an aircrafts crashing i.e. one in million. So nothing to worry. In any case, it is very difficult to become even a little spiritual in this material world.
What a wonderful way to waste time. Hey Vivekananda, you were right when you said that for thousands of years Indians are just discussing whether to eat with right or left hand. I am a pure Indian.
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From: Jandhyala Neehar >>
A word of comment on what Krishna wrote. All the elevated people never attach themselves to the body. Not just saints, but we might find one around ourselves. It’s wisdom. Taking the case of saints, this idea is something they have long adopted. Ramana Maharshi compared the cancer to a jewel shining, when the wound was reflecting daylight because of the puss. He said, the body is doing its work, why
interfere. He compared the diseases to guests, who come and stay for sometime. When their work is finished they leave. My grandmother also used to talk the same way. They are so egoless and humble, they try to set an example to others that - you can also be a saint. Sai Baba did not get his hand treated by the alopathic doctor; instead from a leper
devotee who used to undergo the process of massaging his hand with ghee and putting on the bandage everyday, till his mahasamadhi. There is a certain reason and idea behind why they suffer. Also, saits can go into samadhi with their heart completely stopped according to their wish. So, saying spirituality causes certain cancer is a reward to them. Its their yoga powers acting according to their wish for the welfare of others. They feel responsible. We can compare their love to mother's who takes a lot of care of the child. Would it mean that having children makes a woman undergo lot of troubles...for 9 months initially, then 10 years of their mischief and after all this you never know, they might even abandon. But love she bores never declines.
As Swami Vivekananda says - work as if there is infinite time in front of you. You just change the body, work will never cease. That’s why we believe in avatars. Work is carried out at all times.
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what a wonderful thing is this creation! Meaning of same thing changes with position, context, capacity and response of sensing being. The wave particle duality of every object has long been understood by human being. You can understand almost everything as wave or as particle - at atomic and universal level. However, none of the two is able to explain every phenomenon and so it really is futile to try to prove supremacy of one over the other. I accept both - matter and energy - soul and body, cause that which exists is one but manifestations due to enormous variety of contexts are many. Soul is different from body as clay is different from house. House is clay too. Body itself is soul in different form.
cancer can be caused by hundred thousand different things. In our body thousands of cancer causing cells are formed every day but body's defense mechanism checks newly manufactured cells and destroys them. So most of us don't develop cancer until our body keeps doing its work. Mind and body definitely work very intimately together. So mind may affect body - in both good and bad ways.
Tension can kill. I believe proper practice of spirituality can make your mind healthy and build up good team work of mind and body. Swami Vivekananda always put high emphasis on healthy body.
I think chance of having negative impact by spirituality is similar to an aircrafts crashing i.e. one in million. So nothing to worry. In any case, it is very difficult to become even a little spiritual in this material world.
What a wonderful way to waste time. Hey Vivekananda, you were right when you said that for thousands of years Indians are just discussing whether to eat with right or left hand. I am a pure Indian.
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From: Jandhyala Neehar >>
A word of comment on what Krishna wrote. All the elevated people never attach themselves to the body. Not just saints, but we might find one around ourselves. It’s wisdom. Taking the case of saints, this idea is something they have long adopted. Ramana Maharshi compared the cancer to a jewel shining, when the wound was reflecting daylight because of the puss. He said, the body is doing its work, why
interfere. He compared the diseases to guests, who come and stay for sometime. When their work is finished they leave. My grandmother also used to talk the same way. They are so egoless and humble, they try to set an example to others that - you can also be a saint. Sai Baba did not get his hand treated by the alopathic doctor; instead from a leper
devotee who used to undergo the process of massaging his hand with ghee and putting on the bandage everyday, till his mahasamadhi. There is a certain reason and idea behind why they suffer. Also, saits can go into samadhi with their heart completely stopped according to their wish. So, saying spirituality causes certain cancer is a reward to them. Its their yoga powers acting according to their wish for the welfare of others. They feel responsible. We can compare their love to mother's who takes a lot of care of the child. Would it mean that having children makes a woman undergo lot of troubles...for 9 months initially, then 10 years of their mischief and after all this you never know, they might even abandon. But love she bores never declines.
As Swami Vivekananda says - work as if there is infinite time in front of you. You just change the body, work will never cease. That’s why we believe in avatars. Work is carried out at all times.
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From: Nayanika >>
Dear Sadhakaji
Dear Sadhakaji
We are all above matter and all things material. We are the
creators. CHILDREN OF LESSER GODS therefore know that being this we
cannot in being spiritual which is the essence of our very being,
cause anything so very material like a disease....
creators. CHILDREN OF LESSER GODS therefore know that being this we
cannot in being spiritual which is the essence of our very being,
cause anything so very material like a disease....
You my dear dear sadhaka have to understand that being spiritual
means being in awareness and with awareness. When we are in this
state it is automatic that we will only have positive ions. All ions
referred to here is particulate presences which are not matter but
is the state of beingness which makes matter...
means being in awareness and with awareness. When we are in this
state it is automatic that we will only have positive ions. All ions
referred to here is particulate presences which are not matter but
is the state of beingness which makes matter...
Thought which we all disdainfully refer to with a shrug is a very
potent and important item which constitutes a very real strong item
from where we source all our creative zeal. Rishis who suffer and
show us how to conquer it are exemplars for all people, Ramana who
also exemplified and showed us the way is no ordinary mortal; Ramana
Maharishi is God,like many Rishis of yore he attained Godliness and
has merged with God. Ramanaji's soul is on its way to become Godhead
since the journey into Godliness is also ardous and has to be
completed in time..the ascension is very hard and it becomes harder
as you become tougher and the toughest conquers the first step of
the godhead ladder...that is how it all happens.
potent and important item which constitutes a very real strong item
from where we source all our creative zeal. Rishis who suffer and
show us how to conquer it are exemplars for all people, Ramana who
also exemplified and showed us the way is no ordinary mortal; Ramana
Maharishi is God,like many Rishis of yore he attained Godliness and
has merged with God. Ramanaji's soul is on its way to become Godhead
since the journey into Godliness is also ardous and has to be
completed in time..the ascension is very hard and it becomes harder
as you become tougher and the toughest conquers the first step of
the godhead ladder...that is how it all happens.
THERE IS ONE SMALL ERROR HERE: NONE OF US WITH SPIRITUALITY OR IN
SPIRITUALITY WITH SPIRITUALITY CAN TAKE ON ANY OTHER ENERGY , IF YOU
DO THEN THERE IS NO SPIRITUALITY IN YOU . THIS IS CARDINAL TO
UNDERSTAND. BEING SPIRITUAL AND DOING EVERYTHING TO KEEP TO THE
SPIRITUAL NORMS MEANS THAT YOU ARE IMMUNE FROM ANY OF THE MATERIAL
HARMS OF ANY KIND...THERE CAN BE NO IMBIBING OF ANY ENERGY
INADVERTENTLY.... AND DEFINITELY NO DISEASES OR MATERIAL ILLNESSES
WHICH SPIRITUALITY TRUE AND REAL SPIRITUALITY CAN ENTERTAIN
SPIRITUALITY WITH SPIRITUALITY CAN TAKE ON ANY OTHER ENERGY , IF YOU
DO THEN THERE IS NO SPIRITUALITY IN YOU . THIS IS CARDINAL TO
UNDERSTAND. BEING SPIRITUAL AND DOING EVERYTHING TO KEEP TO THE
SPIRITUAL NORMS MEANS THAT YOU ARE IMMUNE FROM ANY OF THE MATERIAL
HARMS OF ANY KIND...THERE CAN BE NO IMBIBING OF ANY ENERGY
INADVERTENTLY.... AND DEFINITELY NO DISEASES OR MATERIAL ILLNESSES
WHICH SPIRITUALITY TRUE AND REAL SPIRITUALITY CAN ENTERTAIN
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